ASSUMPTION FOR EXPERIMENT:
This is for street game, not social circle game.
I will try the SNL (Single Night Lay) to LTR (Long Term Relationship) experiment for a couple of women.
- Given you want to turn the relationship into an LTR, should you or not, go for the SNL?
- Timing (d2, d3…)
- Whats the most effective and damage-free method of turning an SNL into an LTR?
- Mindset (needy/comfort/etc)
- Consider ASD (Anti-Slut Defense) after sex
- Alpha-Traits and Provider-Traits
- Should you have the perfect opportunity to F-Close a HB10 whom you’d like to keep, should you do it or delay sex for relationship?
Why SNL in the first place?
I don’t know how game is in the West. At least here in Japan, girls are flaky as hell. I’ve become extremely good at creating attraction before the number-close that my email response rate is around 80~90% (as compared to 20~30% when I started off).
So when you get that opportunity where the girl is willing to open her legs for you, where all you have to do is step your foot in (or you dick), you fucking go for it. How stupid can you be to turn down that opportunity?
In fact, you go on a date with her – that might be exactly the thing she’s expecting. She’s expecting you to sex her. And whats worse is – sex or no sex, there may NEVER be a D2 or a D3. She could have a BF, and she wanted a one-off orgasm. You never know – because you met her on the street. If it was social circle game – there’s no rush to go into an SNL – in fact I wouldn’t recommend it. But this is street game for fuck sakes.
However, there’s a question I’ve yet to solve:
Why should you NOT go for SNL?
At my current level, going for an SNL is piss easy. I don’t need to go on 2~3 dates to bang a girl. HOWEVER – in my past few cases where I’ve banged the girl on D1/D2, it was difficult to see those girls again. There’s a variety of reasons to that:
- My Reasons: being needy after sex, not building enough comfort/deep attraction.
- Hers: boyfriend, feels like slut after sex, etc.
In those couple of women I’ve banged on D1/D2, there were girls I would genuinely have loved to date. To deepen the relationship. Not just for continuous sex, but to go on trips together, go out on a drive, etc.
I blamed myself for banging them too early in the relationship (even though that may not be the only factor for my failure).
A socially adept and sane girl in a normal society (non-PUA) would believe (or would like to believe) in the following ideals:
- Boy meets Girl within a social circle or through friends and go on a couple of dates to get to know each other. Boy generally pays for the dates, and takes her out to dinner. If Boy and Girl finds themselves compatible with each other, Boy will ask her to be his GF. If girl accepts, they continue to date, and after a few weeks/months, have sex.
A PUA or at least PUA Stealth thinks this way:
- Boy meets Girl. Boy’s objective is to bang Girl. Boy determines logistics, and does whatever in the world he can (DHV, Negs, Comfort, etc) to have sex with her. If sex is good, and she is worth keeping, Boy builds comfort with Girl so she comes back for more sex.
The discrepancy in between these two scenarios may cause chaos in the relationship, which makes the girl think, “I’ll be a slut if I go back to have sex with him…I better not see him again”.
Sure, “attraction is not a choice” – but even if she’s immensely attracted to you, the will to preserve her integrity may be much higher. Given her social circle, friends – who have a much greater influence on her than you do.
That PUA adage, “if she’s attracted enough, she wouldn’t listen to her friends, she’d be under my control” – is something I found false through experience – in fact I think only novices have that idea imprinted in their heads. When you get rid of that “I’m a fucking PUA, and I control women like my dog” idea – you start to see things more rationally, and can make decisions accordingly – yielding much greater results.
Anyway, you should not go for an SNL because it’ll trigger her ASD after sex, and in order to preserve her integrity as someone who doesn’t sleep around, she won’t see you again. There’s no reason to see you again. Had you developed the relationship through 2~3 dates and asked her out before sex like normal people do – then she’ll be sure to come back for more knowing you’re her “official” boyfriend.
I presented two extreme views of why or why not to SNL.
At the end of the day, its about improvising the situation. You can tell if she’s that flaky type of girl who’s really hard to meet. I think for those girls, you need to SNL no matter what – because it might actually increase your chances of seeing her after the sex.
However girls whom you chilled out with in a cafe – knowing she’ll be there to stay – you can always delay sex, and build value so she’s in for the long-term.
The key is to DETERMINE and DECIDE whether to fuck her or not given the type of girl she is.
This is extremely difficult, and when you’re in set with a woman, you lose track of what she’s actually like. But that seriously is the only way to go about it. I think for the next couple of months, I’ll find answers to my questions.
But as a general rule of thumb – GO FOR THE SNL.